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to her home university because of her her. defend. >> we believe the educational benefits of diversity are so important they're worth fighting for all the way to the supreme court. >> most americans would like a day when we don't need to take race and ethnicity into account in admissions. we are not to that day. >> eliot: joining me now is the president of the national urban league and former mayor of new orleans, thank you mayor for joining me. >> i appreciate it. >> eliot: let me start with what is the hardest question, why do we still need affirmative action in higher education? >> well, there are two important reasons. one is what the consideration does it get to, a diverse student body. a diverse student body at institutions of higher education is where leaders and citizens of tomorrow who will operate in a more diverse world are being trained. the benefits of diversity in the student body in the student body as a role is apparent. secondly education is so basic to one's success that what we have to do is understand that many people still face crushing poverty. many barriers, disc
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